Jay Feely Discusses His Run For Congress And Current Events

On this episode of The Schude Show, Ann sits down with congressional candidate Jay Feely for a candid and engaging conversation about today’s political landscape. The discussion dives into current events, key issues impacting voters, and Feely’s perspective on where the country is headed.

Jay Feely, best known for his career as an NFL kicker and later as a sports broadcaster, is now stepping into the political arena with a campaign focused on leadership, policy, and public service. Ann and Jay explore his motivations for running, his views on important national topics, and what voters can expect from him as a candidate.

It’s a thoughtful, real-world conversation that blends personal background with timely political insight, giving listeners a closer look at both the candidate and the issues shaping this election cycle.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

It's the Judy Talk To. So we are here with the one, the only Dave Feely, who is known for a lot of things, but right now you're kind of known for uh running for office. Yeah, a little different. Oh my gosh, so many things. So you're running for the first district for the House of Representatives for Arizona, right?

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Correct. So David Swiker has been the congressman there. Okay. He's running for governor, so he was not running for re-election. So it's an open seat, a swing seat, probably the most important swing seat, maybe in the country. There's probably three or four seats that you're looking at that will determine who controls the House in 2026. And that will be one of those seats. And it's a seat that Democrats believe, hey, we have an opportunity to flip because the incumbent is not running for re-election. He's been in two very close elections. In 2022, he only won by 2,000 votes. And so they believe we can flip that seat. And you know, for me, it was uh I started running in CD5 here in the Gilbert area, where you know we've lived for 16 years, where we got to know each other at Gilbert Christian. And you know, I was on the school board and Rebecca, my wife taught in the high school. And I coached like you guys did, I coached high school girls' soccer. And um, you know, this is where we had kind of poured our life into and why we decided decided to stay here in Arizona when I was finished playing for the Cardinals. And then the president calls me, and then the speaker of the House calls me, and then the NRCC calls me, and they say, Hey, we everybody said we need you to run in CD1. We're worried we don't have anybody that we believe can win in the general, and we need to make sure that this seat is a priority and that we win this seat. And so for me, it was an easy decision when they all call and they say it's for the good of the party that we need you to move to switch. We had two good candidates in CD5, myself and Mark Lamb, who I know you guys know. And um, you know, so we needed somebody who could go, who could win that seat, who could um speak to independents because it's a it's a seat that has a third of the voters are independents. And you know, I think you see that throughout the country now. You know, there's a lot of people who don't like the partisan politics, who you know don't really resonate with um, you know, all of the issues that drive people apart and really want to see this country come together. And at at my heart, that's you know who Rebecca and I have always been. And so it was very easy for me to do.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

So, what are your constituents like in that district? Is it Scottsdale or is it?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah, so you got Scottsdale, Cave Creek, Fountain Hills, Paradise Valley, it's kind of that a little bit of Phoenix. Uh, it's a very highly educated district. So over bougie. Well, over it is one of the wealthier districts in the in the country.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Um, over a hundred thousand in median income for each home. Uh oh over 50% of the voters have college degrees. You know, so it but it but it's an independent district where you know they have voted for Trump and then voted for Gallego, and voted for Katie Hobbes and then voted for Republicans. So they they've switched throughout, you know, when you look at the history of the last 10 years, and that's why you have to have somebody who not only can win their party, but also can appeal to independence as well.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Do you think that I staying from your district, but do you think that's all of Arizona? I just thinking about our past elections. Like we are we are we officially purple?

SPEAKER_01 3:14

When you look at statewide, um, certainly because we have it's still a center-right state, but we have a Democrat governor and two Democrat senators. And so you have to look at it objectively and say, yeah, you know, this is a state that swings one way or the other, depending on, you know, the political reality of that election. And, you know, we we do have a a good and increasing number of voters for the Republican Party over the Democrat Party, but you have a big group of independents in the middle that will vote for whichever party they believe best identify they identify with right now.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

It almost seems like, well, it was interesting. I remember when Carrie Lake was running for governor like X amount of years ago or whatnot, and I was at kind of like a fundraiser at her at someone's house that they were doing like an in-home fundraiser, and um, I remember asking her, and just because she definitely has that kind of um probably partisan, you know, politics side of things or whatnot. And I that was one thing I said to her. I said, kind of exactly what you're saying, and I said, Well, we are Arizona, and I understand that you know you're have probably similar views that I have, the very conservative or whatnot, but kind of like likability, you know, you're just coming across, and it's not so how do we Hey Mike, we're kind of coming in and out. Yeah. Um so uh how do you how do you bridge that gap? Kind of exactly what you're saying. We have to be realistic, but I think um, and so I being in real estate, um, have had clients over the past few years and they always ask, like, why are you moving from Washington? Why are you moving from California or whatnot? And their answer to me was um political asylum. Like, really? And so they're like, Yes, you know, my kids are getting bullied in school because they lean, you know, more to the right. They say they're Republicans, and um, they're really being bullied and all that stuff. And so I'm like, oh my gosh, that's insane. Um, so coming down here, but then check in with them and they're like, but um, Arizona Republicans are different than where I'm coming from. Like you guys are next level in their opinion, um, which I thought was interesting because I thought, you know, whether you're either a Republican or a Democrat, but there is, I think, just this move kind of to the middle, like you're saying, or people maybe now are just kind of tired of arguing, tired of like hating each other. And then some of that comes from you wonder if that's by design, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Like it does keep them fighting, especially when you look at social media and you know, you look at the algorithms and what people see, your reality could be completely different than my reality based on what I'm watching and what algorithm is pushing me towards. For sure. You know, we see completely different messages. And, you know, for me, the way I think that you resonate with independence, it's gonna be determined by who you are and do you care for them. And and I think you should be able to have conversations with people that you totally disagree with politically, still give them the respect to listen to them, to hear their opinion, truly to care about them. And I think when when the voters here in Arizona, when they find out about Rebecca and I and they hear the stories about what we've been committed to in our lives, I think they'll see people who truly do want to create those equal opportunities, those pathways to success for everyone, and truly care about people.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Well, and you brought up a good point too. It's the whole um the infighting for sure. But um as far as having conversations, like you, especially social media, but even in person, right? But people just can't have those conversations without getting so fired up. And it's like, I can't tell you that I disagree with you without you taking it as a dig on you personally, like hurting your ego. It's like, no, I I actually just don't believe that way, but I I want to know because But we can still be friends. Yes, it doesn't have to ruin relationships. Like it's this is the craziest thing. And maybe it's not a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

And it's sad that you see that. Oh my god. You see that around the country. You know, you see families torn apart because of political issues and friends that no longer can be friends and and don't want to go to dinner together because of political issues. And and and mostly it revolves around President Trump. You know, he is the um the lightning bolt um that causes so many people really to not think logically. I literally was listening this morning to Senator Fetterman and he was talking about. Isn't that surprising?

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Isn't he kind of a surprise?

SPEAKER_01 7:21

Shockingly, shockingly. Like I did not think that he would be the voice of reason in the Democrat Party. Right. And and he's become that. So he said this morning about his own party that what they stand for is just anti-Trump. And that every position they take is just the opposite of whatever position that Donald Trump takes. And, you know, he he's been the guy that says, no, if it's if it's something that I believe in, if it's a rational policy that we should implement, just because President Trump implements it, talks about it, doesn't mean that as a Democrat Party, we should push back against it.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

Well, and it's true. And honestly, I if he's kind of a voice of reason than the Republican Party, right? Because it's both, I feel like it's just both sides as far as like that, everyone should take that issue, right? As far as and and it's kind of like how you're saying how people are pushing back because it's like, oh, if it's Trump did it, it must be terrible. And we hate him. Like there is so much hate like the TDS thing is virtual real. Like at first, I was like, that's weird. I'm like, oh, absolutely, I see it. And some of the stuff that's posted, like the amount of hate to have towards one person makes me believe you are filled with hatred, right? Which is sad. It is sad, and that's a miserable existence. Um but then you have, I feel like the people who, if Trump says it, then it must be right. Like if that's that's the way. So it's it is crazy. And I you know Trump. Um I only know what I I only know what I see. And my favorite thing is he's hilarious. Like I listened and I think he is so funny. Um with that being said, it doesn't mean that and and I feel like I am a Trump supporter, but then a lot of things going on I have questions about. But that's oh I think that should be okay, right? And I'm sure, and he's not the person to be like, oh yeah, you should question me, of course. I know enough that that's not the case, but I think that you can still like people and not agree with them, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Yeah, and you should be able to, and and really every American should question the decisions that our politicians make. Are they the right decisions? Are they what's best for America? Are they what's best for our future? And when I look at President Trump, you know, and and there's a lot of his policies that he's he's implemented in this first year that even a lot of Republicans have pushed back against, you know, specifically the tariff policies. But he has had the fortitude to look at the future of this country and truly try to implement the things that he believes and their administration believes is gonna be best for our country long term. They aren't always the most expedient right now. They're gonna have headwinds right now. Even the war in Iran, you know, you're seeing that because when they made that decision to go in and to bomb Iran and to take out that terrorist regime, they knew that it was gonna lead to an uptick in gas prices, which was gonna lead to higher energy costs, which is gonna lead to higher inflation, which was directly going to uh hurt the prospects of keeping the house in the midterms. So when I talk about it logically, you had to know that the evidence that they had, that they looked at, the intelligence, was so strong that there was a need to take action now, even if it was gonna hurt their own self-interest in the midterm, in the short term. And so, you know, that that's the kind of way that I look at those issues. When I look at the economic issues and I look at tariffs, like the easy thing for this administration to do was to just get in and say, hey, we're gonna expand energy exploration and bring down cost. We're gonna do the tax cut that everyone's gonna be in favor of, you know, and then we'll coast into the midterms and you know, not take on these big issues like the trade imbalance and the lack of investment into this country. And and this administration said no, like that's what we've done for 25 years. That's what led to seven and a half million jobs being offshore to foreign countries. That's what left to 90,000 manufacturing plants leaving this country, which hurts the the average American worker. You know, like Rebecca's dad worked swing shifts for 40 years. He just passed away a couple of weeks ago. I saw that. And I'm sorry about that. Yeah, it was hard. And, you know, we've we've talked and thought about his life a lot, but this is a guy who grew up in the Upper Peninsula, Michigan, in, you know, a very blue-collar area, who, you know, bought his first home for I think$15,000 and lived in that his entire life and worked a swing shift job in a factory for 40 years and was able to provide for his family and put his daughter through college at the University of Michigan on that salary. You know, and and you thank goodness is not where you guys met. That's where we met.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

I'm glad he did that. But like, is that a reality for regular Americans today? And I I think for a lot it isn't because we lost a lot of those jobs. And so I think President Trump said, no, I'm gonna utilize tariffs, I'm gonna utilize my ability to force these foreign countries to invest back into this country and to bring those jobs back into this country, which is gonna help the every everyday American.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Well, and I think that with he's he's competitive, right? Trump? Yes, so and and I think that's good. And um, and I I do believe that he wants to win uh at you know at all costs for the Americans. But the Iran, so a few things with the Iran war that, you know, when I'm, you know, as you know, bird's eye level kind of looking in is I think, oh gosh, like Iraq, right? We were promised and there was great intelligence, and we went in and he didn't, he wasn't close to having a nuclear weapon. Um, and then now same thing if you look at like you know, roll the tape. Um uh look at, and you know, Netanyahu's been saying for 25 years that they're weeks away, they're months away from having nuclear weapon. Like, it's like, so what changed now? So, you know, when you hear something over and over and over and then living through Iraq, Afghanistan, and then for all of us that live through it, yeah. We're like, what?

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Like, we've seen the failures in that possible like nation building does not work in the Middle East. We wasted tens of trillions of dollars, all of them.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Thousands of lives you know, that were cost over there.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

And and for what? What do we accomplish? And so I think that is the natural inclination for so many of us to look at this action and just to say, wait, I thought we weren't gonna get informed words. I thought we weren't gonna try to nation build. And I I don't believe that's what this administration is trying to do. I hope that we get out of there quickly and you know, that we, you know, took out a terrorist who readily admitted he wanted to kill Americans, that you know, we were the great Satan, and you know, he wanted to wipe out the state of Israel. And, you know, he that regime, and just look at their own people. You know, they killed almost 30,000 protesters, their own people willingly killed them because they were willing to stand up against their government. And so, you know, I think it will be a net positive. I think when you look at the big picture like I do, I think about that the economy that is going to determine the next generation's economy is AI. And to win the AI race, you have to be able to produce energy. And right now, China is far away above everyone else in the world. You know, they're at um we're at one terawatt trying to get to two, they're at three terawatts trying to get to six. And they have so many different advantages over us when it comes to producing energy because they can artificially lower the cost of doing production by paying basically slave wages. They can artificially lower interest rates if they want to. They can say, Oh, we're not gonna have any interest rates on that industry. And they have no environmental issues because they don't care. And so they just do whatever they want. And so we know we have to compete with China in this industry where it's gonna determine the economy and the security of the world going forward in this in this next generation. And what did President Trump do? Well, he cut off 20% of their crude oil by going into Venezuela and then going into Iran. And and and for a country in China who only produces 10% of their own crude oil in their country, they have to import 90%. Huge advantage, especially looking forward to this meeting in April that that uh President Trump will have with China and and having leverage in those negotiations.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

So um the Iran war, are we in charge? Are we leaning that? Are we in charge of Epic Fury?

SPEAKER_01 15:08

You think anybody is telling what President Trump what to do? Anybody else? Absolutely, we're in charge.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

So he came out today and said that um what I guess Israel bombed um a gas field in Iran, and he said, Well, they didn't tell me they were gonna do that, and I wouldn't have done that. And he wasn't happy.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

He wasn't happy specifically because also then Iran retaliated by bombing a natural gas field uh pipeline in Qatar. And and so he wanted to make clear uh exactly what what was going on, and by the way, who was in charge. And and so, you know, I I trust him and his administration, and you know, I'm hopeful that this doesn't cost a lot of lives. Um, I have a brother in the Air Force and a brother in the Coast Guard. I, you know, I know like at my at my heart, like how tragic it is to lose any even one American life. And, you know, I I feel for those families.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Well, and I think it's so it seems like so it seems like, right, that it's like when we bombed last year, Iran, it was like this is the only thing. This is this is gonna do it. This is gonna be exactly what we need to do so they don't get a nuclear weapon. So that was last year. And so this year, hey, actually, we need to we need to go in, we need to and so I guess, and my thing too is I don't think he's been super clear on the strategy, right? Obviously, you can't say exactly what you're gonna do from a national security standpoint, but there hasn't been, and that's why so what's the exit strategy? It says it's four to six weeks. Okay, but what how do we know that we have won, right? How do we know it was successful, it was worth it? So I guess that's my question too, is like, how do we know? Because it sounds like right now it's like the it's scorched earth, right? It's from everyone. It's Israel just bombing crap. We're bombing crap. Iran's definitely bombing crap. So it's like, what is the I just don't see, it just doesn't seem very organized.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Um you know, I think in the readings that I've done, it's certainly much more strategic. And they are they're they're very it's kind of threefold, right? So you go in first, and the first thing you need to do is take out not only their ability to enrich that uranium and try to get a nuclear weapon, but also their ballistic missiles so that we can have safety. And then when you take out those ballistic missiles, the long-range missiles, now you can go in and then you can have the bombers go over and fly over, not worry about them getting shot down, and then they can take out the strategic areas um, like the island that produces the majority of their oil, and and make sure that you're not allowing them to have the capability going forward to continue to fight against us. Because the idea is, okay, we're not trying to do regime change. We are trying to have a philosophical change within the country, you know, and hopefully the person who takes over and runs a country doesn't have the same ideals that the Ayotolla had and doesn't try to govern the exact same way.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Well, I think Trump was asked and it said, okay, who's who's who's gonna take over next? He's like, I don't know, the second and third choice were killed too.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Yeah, we killed like 30 of their top leaders.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

So I mean, I guess that's just and like you said, not nation building, not but I mean, we are trying to do a regime regime change, but sometimes I think, well, how can you guarantee that's not gonna be any worse, right? I mean, we did that.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Um, for 50 years, though, 50 years since Jimmy Carter, this this Ayatollah, this philosophy has been about trying to destroy America and destroy Israel. And and so, and they were willing to kill American soldiers. They were willing to bomb and and do suicide bombings, they were supporting Hamas and Hezbollah. Like the people on the other side who are actively rooting for Hezbollah and Hamas and against our interest, how can you call yourself an American? Like, I don't understand that at all. Like I can understand that, well, I don't like war and I don't want to see an American civ uh servicemen die. Absolutely understand that. But I can't understand actively rooting for us to not succeed over there. Every American should be rooting for this to be over quickly, for us to have a tremendous success and to get rid of the number one supporter of terror in the world.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Yeah, oh a hundred percent. And one thing that I have kind of heard kind of talking heads talk about is like it would really help if Trump just declared victory. And then he, I think he did declare victory or started to hint at it. Well, what we've done, we've won, we've won. Um, it's it's so important for the economy or whatnot when he says things like that. It's great. Um, but then you know, the bombs are still going off.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

So well, the real concern is the Strait of Hormuz. And you know, 20% of the world's oil goes through that. They have been actively trying to not allow to blockade that. And, you know, that that is the concern right now. We have to make sure that we open that up and and we need to have control of that moving forward so that you don't have a 20-mile section inhibiting the entire world's, you know, ability to run their economies, you know, because 20% of the world's oil goes through that strait.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

But then why is that our job? Because we went in there and like disrupted the flow. And so now we're like, so then then we've then we've got our ships, right? Like sitting in hard.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

The world's economy with AI will be defined by your ability to produce energy. And, you know, if we control that strait, then we really control the world's energy. And they're looking to us then to lead and to allow them, you know, to have that energy that they need. I mean, you look at look at Germany. And Germany decided, hey, we're gonna, for this Green New Deal, we're gonna go away from fossil fuels and we're gonna go to green energy. And what happened? They had three to four times the energy cost, and now they're dependent on Russia for for oil. And and they are in a horrible spot. They've admitted it was a complete failure, and you know, they did it all for idealism. And that's the difference between Republicans and and Democrats. I think Republicans are realistic, and Democrats govern on idealism. You know, and to me, like you have to govern on realistic ideas, what's gonna function well and what's gonna accomplish the goals that you want.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Yeah, for sure. But you brought up Russia. So are we getting out of a are we still are funding that war, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:09

We are still funding some of the the war with Ukraine and Russia. And you know, I've been a guy that you know believes that um there's so much of that money that we're sending over there that goes to fraud and there's needs to be accountability, and we should not continue to fund it if we can't have accountability for the dollars that we're sending there.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Well, and I'm you know, just one person that you know is interested in this stuff, doesn't know a whole bunch. Um but when this first happened and Russia was going into Ukraine, I thought I looked at Russia on a map and I looked at the Ukraine and I said, it's not winnable, right? It's not winnable for Ukraine, they're too small. Um and it's gonna be a lot of bloodshed. So my thought was okay, this will probably be over in a week, in two weeks, right? Because it's if we had a different president. Right. Well, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Um, but there was a deal on the table one week in that President Biden um blew up and would not allow to happen. That that war would have been over, you would have saved millions of lives, all the money that was spent there. Um, you know, unfortunately, that administration did not want to see peace and and didn't want that war to end. What do we do now?

SPEAKER_00 22:19

As far as I mean, do we just keep funding it?

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Well, it's a good question. Um, you know, I don't think there are easy answers. And, you know, the the world is worried that if Russia gets Ukraine, that that the next, the NATO countries surrounding that would be next. And they're worried about the aggressive push of Russia, of Russia. And and you have to also look at it from the other side. What is Russia trying to do? Well, they don't want to give up their port, you know, the port that is so important to them. You know, and so I I think and I hope that President Trump at some point is able to bring them both together and find a compromise that works for both of these countries and end this war. Um, you know, and I unfortunately, you know, neither side wants to sit down and come up with a realistic solution that will end it.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

And I guess that in the I'm thinking that if we weren't funding it, Ukraine would have no choice, right? Not that I'm rooting for Russia, obviously, but um it just seems like we're prolonging, we're we have a hand in prolonging the amount of like deaths and devastation happening over there because we're like keep going.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Well, I don't say blame us, though. I mean, you bl you blame Russia and you blame Ukraine. I mean, those are the two countries that are fighting, those are the civilians that are dying in this war. Um, you know, and it's millions of people that have died already in this war. I was on a on a flight myself um a couple years ago from Poland to Israel. It was a hundred Ukrainian Jewish refugees that had to leave and were going to Israel. And I one of the couples were in their 80s. They lost their home in World War II when Ukraine was invaded by Germany, and then they lost their home now a second time when Russia invaded. And I couldn't help but sit there and think about gosh, if I was in my 80s and I had just lost my home for a second time, and I was having to leave my country and move to a foreign country that I didn't really know anything about and start over again in my mid-80s. Like how horrible and tragic is that? And I, you know, it really brought home just the realities of war and and all those people on that flight, their sons were not there. You know, their sons were there fighting the war and and probably dying, and you know how tragic that is as well.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

Oh, well when you're talking, I'm thinking of all these things, and I don't want to go all over the place. But speaking of well, there's okay, those are a couple things. But when you brought up an 80-year-old, you know, and having to go through the worn-torn areas or when I think about the 80-year-olds here in America, and I think about how I see so many working at McDonald's, working at Taco Bell, like it it breaks my heart. And and they're they're they're doing it because they have to financially. Um have we abandoned our seniors? Um what is it the cost of living? Is it inflation? Um, is it social security?

SPEAKER_01 24:58

So let me give you a stat. So right now, the average person on social security gets just over$2,000. I think it's$2,076 a month. That's what they get.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Well, when you say average, is that working X amount of years?

SPEAKER_01 25:11

That is the average person receiving Social Security right now, their check, the average is$2,076 a month. And when you look at Minnesota and the Somalis that are in Minnesota, their average welfare that they get is about$2,700. Now, why should somebody who worked their entire life here put into Social Security be getting less than asylum seekers who came from a war-torn country in Somalia and came over here and 10 years after they got here, 80% of them are still on welfare? That that is not a system that is sustainable. It's not right. You know, people coming here from a foreign country for the for the benefit of being able to live here. It is, it's not a right. It is a privilege to be able to come over here. But you shouldn't come here and be put directly onto welfare and then to be staying on welfare for 10 years not providing for yourself while our own citizens are getting less than you're getting. That that is a system that doesn't work. But I believe, and my in my heart, that it's a system that Democrats set up on purpose to try to get a voter block that they believe could never be beaten. You know, if we bring people here and we give them asylum, and when they get asylum, they get the right to vote, they become citizens, and then we get them onto government sustenance and welfare where they're gonna stay on that, then they're only gonna vote for the people that they believe are gonna increase their benefits.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Well, and that's the border, right? The open border policy. Absolutely. My mom it was so crazy. So my mom, like, I want to say at least 30 years ago or whatnot, um, she had said, she said that the open border policy that Democrats want is because that's the voter block. Those are the and I thought she was crazy. I was like, mom, like no one would just want ill, you know, someone to come in illegally because that that would be a security. I was probably 15. That would that just doesn't even make sense. Like no one is that manipulative or whatnot. And lo and behold, like that's exactly what it is, right? It's a it doesn't, and it doesn't matter about safety, security. Doesn't matter, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:09

And like you were saying, it's politics before the protection of American citizens. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Because it sounds good. Oh my gosh, there's these people who they just want to be an American just like you, just like your ancestors came over.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

They have to be the first ones. I had a conversation like this with a pastor, and I won't say who it is or what church or anything, but you know, he was he was advocating to support the illegals as they come across, and I was against that and didn't think that we should do that. In fact, said, hey, we have people here in Gilbert. Uh, I have a whole list of people from House of Refuge that are homeless, you know, because House of Refuge, 88 homes, single homeless mothers, amazing organization, 90% efficient, and taking people through their program and then helping them after a year to get great.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

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SPEAKER_01 27:52

But they have a big waiting list. And so, you know, I was frustrated that we weren't helping the citizens here in Gilbert who are homeless and focusing on these people coming across our borders illegally. And his response to me was, Jay, I just want to love people. Like, is it so wrong to love people? You know, and and of course it's not wrong to care and to love people, but it is wrong to have a system that's set up and incentivize people to come here illegally, to not do it the right way. And you know that we have supported a family from Haiti and and brought a couple of uh young men here and did it the legal way, got through the education visa system and then put them into college. They never were on welfare, they were never getting benefits, they just came here for the opportunity, took advantage of that, got a job, got a degree, went back and got an MBA, got married, and you know, are are a benefit to society. That's the way immigration works. That's the way it's supposed to. But when you allow tens of millions to come across the border illegally, they're not vetted. So you create a system where you have, you know, criminals coming across that border who are gonna rape and kill and do awful things to people. And the fact that the Democrat Party is resisting ICE going in and deporting those violent criminals is horrendous. You know, I can't understand it. If I had a, if one of my daughters had been raped or killed by an illegal, and I saw a party that was pushing back against getting rid of those dangerous, violent criminals. Like ICE calls and says, hey, we have a deportation order for somebody in your jail. And in sanctuary cities and sanctuary states around this country, they don't give that person to ICE. They release them back into society. That's ridiculous. And the hypocrisy that exists when you look at the Obama administration, because Obama deported 3 million people, another 2 million turnaways at the border and didn't have these issues. Why? Because ICE, when they had a deportation order under Obama, would go into those same cities and they would say, Yeah, absolutely, here's the violent criminal, deport him. And they did. But because they changed their policies and they created these sanctuary cities and sanctuary states and decided we're not going to cooperate with ICE and we're willing to release violent criminals back into those communities, and we don't care what happens and who else gets hurt as a result. That's where the conflict exists, and that's where you see the things that happen in Minnesota and in some of these other places.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

And it is interesting because do they just think I don't know. I think that hypocrisy is the thing that, like, above all else, right? If you're gonna have a policy, you're gonna have to stick, stick with it and then stick with it, right? It's just so frustrating, but that is so true. It's what's right for one administration, they'll just completely switch and change what's right for the next one based on probably just I think it all goes exactly all goes down to the voter block.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

It was a reaction to the 2016 election because they thought Hillary Clinton was gonna walk in and that she was coronated and she would be the president, and President Trump beats her. And all of a sudden there was panic in the Democrat Party. What happened? How did we lose? How did Donald Trump come in and win the presidency? And where are we gonna go forward and get uh a voter block to be able to defeat him and not let Republicans continue to win on this America first agenda? And, you know, the the re the answer, the reaction, like your mom was so right in telling you from a long time ago, was to allow people to come across to put at all costs. At all cost. And put them into Democrat cities so they would be counted in the census, so that those Democrat cities and those states would get more members of Congress. You know, they they say probably 10 to 15 members in Congress right now are a direct result of that influx that was counted in the 2020 census. Um, so that you're getting more house seats then. And then they believed if they, if they won, uh if Kamala Harris won, that she would then have been able to give asylum to those people, those tens of millions of people who came across the border. If they get asylum, like I said, they become citizens, they get the right to vote. It's what happens, the biggest mistake Ronald Reagan ever made. You know, I I love Reagan, he's one of my favorite presidents. He did so many great things for this country. But when you look, Ronald Reagan made a deal with Tip O'Neill. Um, they it was the Simpson Mazzoli Act. They gave amnesty to three and a half million people who were here illegally. The idea was we're gonna close the borders, we're never gonna have illegal immigration again. These people were here, so they they we're gonna let them stay, let them work, they become citizens. Well, they also got to bring their immediate family members so that three and a half million was really closer to 10 million, and and the vast majority voted Democrat. So you created a huge voter block of Democrat voters, but it didn't close the border, it didn't end illegal immigration, and now we're in the situation that we're in now.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

Well, and I think um, and Trump's actually kind of changed his view, right? When it closed the border, close the border, and from everything I can tell, magnificently, right? Got it closed, people aren't going over the border, it just took some, you know, it's still open though.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

I mean, I I went down there myself. Jace, my son, and I went down there and we visited the border um back in I think October, and we went to the end of it where the wall stopped because the Biden administration didn't continue the wall, even though we had all the equipment, we could have finished the wall. Um, I think there's a 26-mile gap uh down there where fentanyl can still come across the border. Um, the sex trafficking can still happen coming across the border there. Most of that has stopped because we we ended the incentives. That's the biggest thing. All you had to do is end the incentives, and people were like, all right, well, if I'm not going to be able to come into this country and I'm not gonna be incentivized, I'm not coming. And risking the danger and the cost of going and going across the border. And they showed me the areas on the border where under Biden, if you came across the border and said, you know, claimed asylum, they had these big camps set up and they were giving them food and clothes, and they had uh Wi-Fi so they could get online. Like it's it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

It was like cell phone, weren't they giving out cell phones?

SPEAKER_01 33:44

It's crazy what they were doing. Hey, come across the border, come here, here's everything you need, and then we're gonna release you. And I talked to you know, some of the border patrol.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Pick a state.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Well, I asked one of the members of Border Patrol, I said, how was it different under Biden and now under Trump? And he said, Under Biden, if you came across and claimed asylum, we processed you right away. You said where you wanted to go, we took you to the airport here, and we flew you wherever you wanted to go. Like, that is utterly ridiculous. And Tom Holman, who worked for Obama and now, now obviously, you know, working for Trump, you know, said the biggest difference was had they processed asylum seekers right at the border, like the law calls for, then and they put them into an ICE facility, they would have had to adjudicate the case within 30 days. And 90% of them would have been denied asylum and they would have been sent back. And they didn't do that because they wanted them here. And if they get released into the country, then it's four or five years before those cases, if they ever, you know, get adjudicated. And so that's the issue that we have.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Um, well, I was thinking about so the border, but Trump kind of like was all about like everybody out. Everybody out. And now, and and that might be, I think he's got a huge, you could probably speak to this. I think he has a huge heart. And so I think he was, so I think he got pushback from farmers, right? Like, oh my gosh, those are our workers. Um, he got pushback from some of the other um, I think small businesses or whatnot, um, getting rid of like everyone that was actually just doing a great job. They came illegally, but they had acclimated or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

I might disagree with you. Okay, and I and I do agree with Tom Homan, because he did the best job. He was on with Bill Maher and you know, talking with Bill, and Bill asked him that exact question. You know, he said basically, like, yeah, but you know, Teresa down at the coffee shop, like, you know, we shouldn't deport her. She's been here for, you know, 10 years. And Tom Homan did a great job of articulating, no, if you came here illegally, then you should deport and you should self-deport. And we cannot have a system where we reward people for coming across and breaking the law and coming here illegally. One of the things you do when you do that is you jump the line. You know, the family that we supported down in Haiti, they have been trying to come here legally the right way, and they didn't get through, and they weren't able to get asylum and come here because of the vast number of people that we allowed to come here illegally. And so you have to first start with the violent criminals and try to deport every single one of them. And that shouldn't be a partisan issue. No city, no state should not want to get rid of violent criminals to protect Americans. And then you have to get rid of the people who came here illegally and have them go back, self-deport, reapply. If you self-deport, then now you're eligible to reapply and come back. And if you wanted to, when you leave, then create a worker program so that you could come over on a work visa program and work. I'm not against people trying to provide for their family. I know it firsthand, more than most Americans, because I took my family to Haiti, to uh do work in Mexico, to Malawi, um, the some of the poorest areas. We wanted to go there. We wanted our kids to see what it looks like to live in a third world country and how lucky they were to live in this country and it and to have a heart for service for people. And so I understand why people want to come here from those third world countries, but you have to have an orderly process.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Well, do you think I guess my question is do you think Trump's getting softer on that?

SPEAKER_01 37:01

I don't.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

No.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

No, I mean Tom Homan just did that interview last week. Yeah. He's very clear about it.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Well, yeah, and he's yeah, he doesn't mess around.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Well, the person that now is, you know, the the lead person in, you know, our immigration process and what we're trying to do. And I keep going back to it, he's the one who did it with Obama as well. Like what he's doing for Trump is no different than what he did for Obama. The difference is the way the media covers it and those sanctuary cities and those sanctuary states.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Yeah. So all the ice, oh my gosh, all the bad press ice has gotten. Um do you agree with Chris Denome getting asked for to do a different position?

SPEAKER_01 37:36

Yeah, I don't think you can spend, you know, 200 million dollars of taxpayer dollars when we're talking about getting away to of waste and fraud in government and spend that on a program. I I think that was ridiculous. And I think that is the core reason, you know, that that they needed to make a change.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Yeah. Well, and speaking of the Doge, what happened with Doge?

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Yeah, I mean, I was so excited about all waste and fraud to be um, you know, to get rid of all the waste and fraud that that exists in government. When you look at Minnesota and say the$10 billion in fraud that has gone on there that has been facilitated by the governor and you know, Democrats there, the attorney general. And then now looking at California, it'll probably be 10 times that amount in California. You know, and I I don't understand why, if you're a Democrat, why you would not want to make sure, like you want to help people, then why are you not trying to get rid of fraud that exists? Because you're not helping people. Well, but are they aligning their own pockets? Exactly. Because if you fund NGOs, that the NGOs then turn around and fund your action your Democrat campaigns, you have this cycle of using American taxpayer dollars to fund your campaigns. And that's exactly what was going on.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Right. So, and then that is one thing, and then you feel like um politicians are owned, right? That's the thing that you hear because you have to have money, right? To run a campaign. You have to have money. So then the people that are learning that the people that are giving you money, they're giving you money because they want your in your ear, right? They they want to have some sort of um, they want to have, I don't know what the word I'm trying to say is, but they want to have it in act, thank you. Access, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:10

So I I had somebody early on, you know, give me very good advice. And he said, This is what you tell a donor. Like your donations will obviously help me. And we have a similar view of what we want government to look like. And you think that I, you know, am somebody who can go into office and is gonna stand up for those beliefs. And the only thing your donations do is give you the opportunity to call me up and explain whatever issue you have. It doesn't mean I'm gonna agree with you. It doesn't mean that I'm gonna do what you want me to do. And so I try to make that very clear as I'm going around. This election that I'm in in CD1 is gonna be the most expensive election in the entire country. It's gonna, it's gonna probably be about a$60 million congressional seat because the Democrats believe, like I said at the beginning, that they can flip that seat. So they're gonna spend about$30 million to try to go in and flip.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

And it's and I don't know if people understand it's from all over the country, the money, right? It's not some people might think, well, you're running for a seat in Arizona, so then you're only getting um people are only donating in a.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Yeah. We'll be outside money. You know, I mean, if you raise four or five million dollars yourself, and that's all capped, right? That's$7,000 maximum at a time that an individual can give to you. Um, you know, that's a lot of money if you raise four or five million, but you're talking 30 million on this seat. So the majority of that money is coming from outside and being spent on behalf of that candidate.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Uh so how long have we been campaigning?

SPEAKER_01 40:34

We announced in April. So it's almost been a year, which is crazy. So I I was working for CBS, so I played in the NFL for 14 years. Then the next 10 years I broadcast for CBS as an announcer, doing NFL games, and uh decided to step down from broadcasting to run for office. And we'd been doing it for almost a year now.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

What made you want? I mean, because we joke about it, like who would want to do that? Why? Why? Yeah, because you're under a microscope. I mean, it's kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Especially when you're doing a job where you only have to work five months of the year, right, during football season. I got seven months. And you get paid really well, and it's fun to do. Like, why would you leave that to get into politics? And and for me, um, if I didn't believe that, you know, God was really pressing me to do it and and felt called to do it, and and uh if my wife didn't feel the same way, you know, we had to be on the same page. I sat down with Rebecca, we went to DC, we met with everybody in DC when we were thinking about it in March, and and we prayed and just said, God, if this is your will, please open the doors. And if it's not your will, please shut them like hard. Slam them. Yes, slam them so that we know you're not in this. And and all the doors kept opening very wide. And people were so um gracious and kind and wanting us to be involved in this process. And I just think in general, we need more people in politics who have already been successful, who have already made their money, who aren't going there to enrich themselves, who are truly going to be that civil servant. Like my sixth great grandfather was Roger Sherman. Roger Sherman was a representative from Connecticut. He's the only man to sign all four of our founding documents, helped write the U.S. Constitution with Thomas Jefferson. And um, when you go back and you study their lives, like what they were willing to give up was everything. They were willing to give up their jobs, their freedoms, their wealth, really their lives, to for this, for this ideal, this goal of making a country founded on freedoms, founded on opportunity. And that's what I'm committed to. Like I want to go into office and try to effectuate change and do it the right way and honor God and everything that I do. Not not saying in any way that I'm perfect. Um, quite the opposite. You know, I am just a sinner saved by grace, trying to walk with God on a daily basis. And, you know, somebody asked me, well, what is what does success look like to you? If you get elected and you go into office, what does success look like? I said, that's a pretty tough question. And I thought about it, I said, if my marriage is stronger at the end than it is right now, and I honor God in everything I do, I think that's success. And there's certainly a lot of things I would want to accomplish, but that's the foundation of everything I want to do. You know, and and so, you know, for me it's it's trying to utilize again the blessings that I've been given to impact other people.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

No, I I love that. And I guess um one thing that I think about a lot with Paul one, I hope we're not too far gone, right? And I remember um Trump was talking about it, and it was like people were like, hey, you've gotta come, you've gotta run for office because I don't know if there's any looking back, right? Just over the years of corruption and just very different from what our forefathers had talked about and what was really there. I mean, I remember uh reading about how George Washington, right, when they asked him um to run for president, he said, I've done my time, I've served my country. Um, let someone else do it. Like I wanna enjoy my life. I wanna, you know, I want to and and I thought that's such a different mentality um than What I think a lot of people get into politics for, you know, that the their net worth is something crazy, like 30, 40, some of the representatives, 30, 40,000.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

They go from nothing to you know, hundreds of millions.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. And then another thing that um speaking of that is I think about like populism, you know, and I think that's something that Trump ran on. And I think that was something that I really loved because at the end of the day there is a difference, right? I feel I feel like there's two two a two-tiered justice system or whatever. And it's like it's kind of us and them and you know, treated very differently than at least I feel. I feel like kind of the peasants, right? And then you have the politicians who um have that elitism, who have, you know, we're up here, kind of you're down here, that type of thing. But I think that was one thing with the Trump, which is crazy because that's not what people see, is one thing that I really attracted me. It's like he talked, he shoots straight. He's talking to me like he would talk to anyone, right? And so I loved that. And and it's funny because that the people TD up, oh, he's so arrogant, he's so this. But what I see is someone who's like, he's like, I'm just gonna tell you what's exactly on my mind. And and I I feel like that's the honest way to do it, right? And because I feel like with politicians, you're trying to um be what you want them to be. Exactly. It's disingenuous, totally. And so I can meet anyone we were talking about before that I can have a conversation with and I can disagree with, and I might think, oh my gosh, that is terrible policy or whatnot. But if they're authentic and they are so believing in that and they are real with me, then I'm like, okay, I respect you, right? But it's just you just get a total different um vibe from like some of the politicians. And I know you've probably being in Washington, DC, have felt that. But it's like at the end of the day, whatever you believe in, like, be authentic. And and I do that. People you meet on the street. People want transparency.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

They want you to tell them what you believe, even if they disagree with you. And that's ideally, that's what I'm trying to do. You know, that that is exactly the way that we're running our campaign. You know, when I get pushback from other people and they're like, oh, don't do that, or you shouldn't do that. I'm like, well, I don't care. Like, this is what I'm doing, and I don't need this job. I want to go there and I want to do it the way that I believe it should be done. I'm gonna stand up for the beliefs that I have. I'm gonna continue to care about people. I'm gonna have conversations with people that are completely different than me. There's been a lot of pushback from Republicans. They found pictures of Rebecca and I and Bill Clinton, you know, from 25 years ago when we were at the Michael Jordan golf term. The guy, one of the guys I'm running against, sent those out, sent text messages out, blocked out Rebecca's face, made it look like an Epstein picture, even though he knew it was my wife, and sent it out and said I was partying with Bill Clinton down in the Bahamas. And, you know, I mean, the dirty politics. But I had a conversation with my general consultant in our campaign, and I said, hey, we're not doing that. Like, we are not going to, like, I don't even want to see the opposition research and all the things that you might find on somebody because I'm not gonna utilize those to try to get into office. It's not the way I run a run a campaign. I believe in the American dream. I believe in creating those equal opportunities for people. We've committed our lives to it. You know, we brought young men, brought them into our home, put them through college to give them that opportunity. And I'm gonna do that on on a the in in the district, I'm gonna do it in the state, and I'm gonna do it at the federal level as well.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

Well, you brought up Epstein. So speaking of, um that was one thing that uh I think Trump really ran on. And then something happened, and then they didn't want to release the files. Um, and now they have, oh, I don't think all of them quite have been released. No, they haven't, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

But there's a lot of redacted Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

So um what do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 47:29

I'll give you two answers to that. First answer the Biden administration had the Epstein files for four years. They did nothing with it. They didn't release it at all, they didn't talk about it at all. So it's so disingenuous and hypocritical for them now to go after Trump and to attack Trump for not being quick enough in releasing the Epstein files. I will admit and be honest, that I think they should have done it much quicker. I think part of the reason that people put Trump back in office was they wanted transparency and accountability. And they wanted if if somebody did something with young women, underage women, they wanted them held accountable. And I want them held accountable. I don't ever want to think about that. As a as a father of three girls, to think about the fact that some girls, somebody's daughter, may have been in a situation where they were trafficked and used there and abused there. I want those people held accountable. I think American people do too.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

Absolutely. Do you think that Jeffrey Epstein was uh an agent for Israel? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

I mean, uh there's certainly a lot of suspicion. And, you know, you look at how he made his money and how he got his own.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Not a smart, not a smart guy, right? No great resume.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Somebody certainly was helping push him along. You know, I I don't get into conjecture though. I have this argument with my son all the time. Um Jason. Yeah, because you know, that younger generation, like they listen to all the conspiracy theories, they buy into it, they, you know, and for me it's about it's about evidence. And, you know, when I look at any of these issues, like hopefully the American people will see what the evidence is. I think, you know, when you look at the Kennedy assassination, everybody wants to know, just tell us what happened when we talk about 9-11. Be honest, even if we made mistakes, be honest with the American people and release that. That's what I think Americans are craving. They want to know that their government is not lying to them, hiding things, not telling them the truth. They want, and then they want government to get out of their lives. And then don't tell me how to live my life, but be honest with us about what we're doing and what we're trying to accomplish. And if we made mistakes, be honest about it and and release that to the American people.

SPEAKER_00 49:35

Yeah, it's all that there, there again, it's that hierarchy, right? Like we don't, we don't owe you anything. We don't work for you. We're like, actually, yes, you do. Yeah, I actually do. Um, but that is a good point because the younger generation, I mean, our kids are like the same age, went to school together, which is amazing. Um, but there is that generation.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

Which means we're getting old.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

I know, I know. And you're a grandpa. That's right. Not my grandma.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

We got four grandkids now. It's amazing. And Rebecca loves it. I do too. I mean, it's so much fun, but she is just in heaven with those grandkids.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

It's a miracle because we are not old enough. Like, we're just not old enough. We're super young, grandma. I know. And I'm like typically like we with our grandson, I'm like, oh my gosh, but like, I just did this. This should be my baby. I know.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

I call Rebecca hot grandma all the time. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

It's so cute. Um But speaking about, we're talking about like transparency or that generation, but they that generation, I truly believe, had a huge push in getting Trump elected, right? It was like that same. But now we're seeing, at least with you know, my son, and it's just like questioning everything, right? Because they don't feel like they're being they, I don't know about lied to, maybe. Um, but things just aren't quite adding up.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

There might not be hardened proof on a lot of things, but I think it's okay to answer the but it I think it's so they they they hear though, they hear a clip on TikTok, they watch something on Instagram, they get in this algorithm where everything is feeding, you know, whatever issue they're listening to and talking about, and then that's all they hear, and then they never hear the other side. I mean, that is the problem with social media right now, is that you know, you get into these um these situations where you're you're being fed one narrative and that's all you hear, you know, even those conversations that I have. I'm like, well, have you thought about this? You know, have you thought about that? Have you what evidence do you have to back up exactly what you're talking about? And a lot of times they don't have evidence, they have conjecture, right? You know, and and you can't govern, you can't base things on conjecture. So at the core, I like what they want because they want transparency and they want their government to be honest with them. They don't believe that they have been. They look at what happened um with 9-11, they look at what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, you know, they look at COVID, you know, all these issues where they're like, well, what they said was not true and they weren't transparent with us, so why should I trust them on any of the issues?

SPEAKER_00 51:50

Right, for sure. Well, you think about, um, and I not that I'm not young, but I am one of those that's like I'm addicted to podcasts. And so I do listen to, and I don't agree with everything, but I think it's so great because it to question it, right? Like I l I listen to Candace Owens, I listen to Tucker, I listen to all these people because I think it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

And they're bringing totally disappointed with them then, though, to be honest with you. Yeah. So we'll talk more about that. So we were gutted when Charlie Kirk was killed. Um, Rebecca and I were walking out of the White House, literally walking out, as we found out um on social media about Charlie Kirk. Is that that day? That day. The day he was gone. Yeah. And we we laid in bed that night in DC at the hotel, and she said, you know, are you sure you want to do this? And you know, I could feel the angst in her heart. Yeah, because we're in the middle of we had just, you know, in April we had started, and so it's you know, five months later, whatever. And and I said, I have more resolve now than I ever have. Like I know that God has put it on my heart at this time for this reason, for this purpose. Um, but I was really hopeful, especially when I went to the memorial. And, you know, you're there and you're listening to our administration share the gospel. Like it was amazing to listen to Marco Rubio and JD Vance and so many people. You know, it was the greatest worship service I had ever been to. It filled me with so much hope about the future of this country. And I I really believe that this would galvanize um conservatives and people who have a faith around doing what was right for this country and putting away partisan issues and you know coming together and really emphasizing the nuclear family, emphasizing morality and doing the right thing. And the end result since then has been tearing the fabric of the conservative movement apart. And, you know, I I don't think when you look at our leaders, especially in the podcast world, like you brought up Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Megan Kelly, Tucker, yeah. Um I said Charlie Kirk, I didn't mean to say I meant to say Tucker Carlson. But when you look at how they they responded to Charlie Kirk, um they all instead of focusing on issues and instead of focusing on things that are gonna help us win the midterms and focusing on educating their listeners, it has been partisan, it has been um petty, they've been attacking each other, they you know have have cared about things that don't help at all. They have not helped this movement, they have not helped create a a better knowledge base about the differences because the differences between our two parties have never been further apart ideologically. You know, the the Democrats' response to losing her president Trump is to move further left, is to embrace AOC and Bertie Sanders and Mandami and this democratic socialist movement. And instead of talking about that, it's all been partisan garbage. It's been petty garbage, been inner fighting between all these podcasters. And, you know, to me, it it's solely about getting people listening to their podcast and and driving revenue and wealth for themselves. And it's been really disappointing to me.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

Well, and I think kind of what I hear is um what they're not feeling that the mega movement is what they are signed up for, right? It's because it's that's the way they try to justify it. Yeah. Well, I think the with Iran, I know uh it was huge, right? No, no more foreign wars. Like we have to take care. There's so much going on in America, people suffering um on the street. You know, we have so much money to we could just keep it, like you said, with the Ukraine or whatever. We could should help America first, clear, like the people that um, you know, with all the prices going up, people that are su so I think that's what I've heard from it. Um, I've heard that a lot about, you know, people that were very close with Charlie saying, well, he was getting a lot of pressure, right? He was getting a lot of pressure at the end. More conjecture, though. Yeah. Um well, I mean, I guess I don't have that relationship, but just more that like the I had a relationship with them. This is what was going on in his life. So I think it's asking a lot of questions, right? More questions than answers, probably, but I think it's okay. And I see the pushback, and I see because for sure it's it's like we had something so good, right? With the with the movement, and like you were saying, with the Democrat, they they're dismantling themselves.

SPEAKER_01 56:14

What was the fundamental basis of what Charlie was trying to do? He was trying to number one represent God in everything that he did and honor God and bring people to Christ. Like that was the fundamental basis of what he wanted to do. The second thing was to reach out to young people, to encourage young people, especially young men, to engage in the process, to understand where the stepways to success were, how to be a success, and how to be a success, not only financially, but with your family and in life and and in fulfillment. Uh, and then I think the third thing was to bring a broader coalition together to support conservative causes and the conservative beliefs. And I just don't think when you look at our podcasters right now, I don't see them doing that. I don't see them taking up the mantle and continuing to do that. In fact, I see the opposite. They continue to break apart this coalition and they fight within amongst themselves, and they're not communicating why people should come together and and fight for the things that are going to help all Americans. They're doing the opposite. They're, you know, they're worrying about you know these ideological tests and, you know, whether or not we should be supporting this and that and and not trusting the administration.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

Yeah, no, for sure. There's the trust, I think, definitely is because they I think that from what I've heard, I can't speak for them, but from what I'm listening to, that I think that trust for sure is broken. But I think it's okay to, and I think you have a problem where then it becomes name-calling, right? Where you see that, you saw that since COVID, all the name calling. So I think that they are asking issues of like, is this really America first, right? Is there's this layer of elites who are donors and all this stuff. This is kind of how we're talking about with campaigns. And when you're raising money, right, as much as you say, like, well, it's not, it's not an influence, well, it's gotta be, because I mean, money talks, right? And if you want to have a movement, and so that was the thing that's interesting to me is at the end of his right before the end of his life that he was getting so much pressure, right? So much pressure um from different people. And hey, you're you're having these um these big conferences, but you can't have the speaker and you can't have the speaker. And so that I can kind of it makes sense to me, right? When I listen to it, I'm like, well, that that kind of makes sense. So we should just question it, I guess is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

What's the purpose though? What what is the purpose of what they're doing?

SPEAKER_00 58:35

Because we want to know who's really who's really in charge. Like, because who's really in charge?

SPEAKER_01 58:40

What is the greater good? That's to me, right? What is the greater good? What are they trying to do?

SPEAKER_00 58:44

I think fixing the country.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

Yeah, well, they're not fixing the country. They're tearing the country apart. They're not making it so that we have a better opportunity in midterms to keep the house. If we don't win the house, what happens? President Trump gets impeached and they will delay for two years. Nothing will be accomplished. We won't be able to codify the agenda that they've done in the first year. Nothing will be accomplished at all. So what are they? What is the greater good of what they're doing? Are they bringing people together? Are they educating? The enemy is not within, the enemy is on the other side. The enemy is this Democrat socialist movement that wants to fundamentally change our country and you know, wants look at what Mondami is doing in New York. And the, you know, the taxes, the willingness to say that property rights should not be uh an individual right, you know, that the federal government or the state government or the local government should control your properties and control what you can do with those properties, if you can increase rent or not, you know, trying to take away private businesses and say, hey, we're gonna have um, you know, these grocery stores that are funded by the local government, which would destroy these private businesses. And then we know the end result of socialism is always regression to the mean. It doesn't work. You know, and uh look at uh Abigail Spamberger in Virginia. She runs as a moderate in Virginia. As soon as she gets elected, she first thing she does is 50 new taxes, taxes on everything, and and increasing cost, increasing um every penny that you're gonna spend being taxed by the local governments and the state government, and then these crazy policies as well, fighting against, you know, common sense, 80% issue policies. And so to me, that's the that's the bigger picture. And and if they're not focused on that and not fighting for that, then they're fighting for themselves. And that's what I see.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:26

Yeah, no, and I I think it's they're I think politics, right, is probably not that important. It sounds like it's just I think they're trying to change the country from what I more back to it's it there's transparency. So it's funny because I like you listen to it and here's something different, and then I listen to it something, and I'm like, at least we're having these hard conversations or nothing's ever gonna change. Um, but they're in a position they can because they don't have to worry about getting elected, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

So no, they're worried about getting more viewers and making more money. Like that is the end result of what they're doing on their shows. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

Well, agree to disagree. But it's well, so it's just it's just interesting. I I like having those conversations, but I think that I think having those conversations, I mean, Trump's had Tucker. Like, what do you think about Iran? What do you think about this? So, but that's one thing I love about Trump is he has those conversations. At the end of the day, you said he's gonna do whatever he wants to do because that's what he does.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

But um, and I think that's um I think at the end of the day, he's gonna do what he believes is best for this country and the future of this country. And and I I absolutely ardently believe that he and his administration that is the grounding principle for the decisions that they make. And and even if it's the hard decision, they're gonna do that if they believe long-term that's best for this country.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

So what um what would you what's your favorite thing that the Trump administration has done is what's something that you disagreed with that they've done?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Yeah, well, I'll start with the disagreement, and you know, and just I we talked about it been more transparent with the Epstein list, got it out as soon as possible, uh, redacted it, get rid of the redactions as much as possible, and just be more transparent. And um when you look at my favorite thing, you know, for me, it's economic issues. Um because that's gonna impact everybody. And when I look at my son and your daughter and the future for that generation, and then our grandkids, and the future for our grandchildren economically, like we were on a path to destruction for them. And for the first time in American history, this generation did not have more hope that they were going to do better than the past generations. And so what he did in trying to reset trade parameters with the world that had been in existence, most of them since World War II. And we had allowed these countries to take advantage of us and to take advantage of uh the American people and the American taxpayer by having unfair trade policies where they benefited and we didn't. We couldn't sell our products there, but they could bring their products here and sell them without having any tariffs. And then, you know, we had minus 26 trillion in investment into this country versus out of this country. Back in the 80s, we're net positive. At minus 1 trillion, Warren Buffett said it was unsustainable. And no one did anything. Neither party, none of the politicians, no one did anything. And we grew all the way to over minus 20 trillion. And finally somebody stood up for America and said, no, we're not gonna allow that. So I'm gonna utilize tariffs, I'm gonna utilize leverage, and I'm gonna force these countries to invest back into this, into our country. You know, when you do a deal with Japan and you get 500 billion in investment into this country, just started three projects, um, one in Texas, one in Georgia, one in Ohio, with that money from the investment from Japan, you know, and doing a deal with uh the United Kingdom, and then doing a deal um with Taiwan and, you know, with the Philippines and all these investments back into this country, trying to reset trade parameters and get investment back in this country. That is what's gonna help the future generations and create that opportunity for them. And so I'm I'm super proud of the fact that it was not the politically expedient decision. It was not easy to do. He knew that you know that they would criticize him for it, the administration did, but they had the long-term perspective and they put the American people first.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:12

Well, and he did. I remember he did say there will be some short-term pain. He was transparent about that. He said there will be some short-term pain.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:17

And I should say, like my first and foremost, like closing the border. Like that was the best thing they did. And for four years, the Biden administration said, we need a bill passed, we can't do it without a bill passed, and then in a month, President Trump did it. You know, and so that alone, when you look at these elections and you look at these two parties, you had one party that didn't care about the protection of American people, they were willing to allow millions of people to come across the border illegally and put Americans in jeopardy and willingly allow them to be raped, murdered, fentanyl deaths to go to skyrocket. You know, and you had a president who stood up and said, no, like that's not gonna happen. We're gonna close the border, we're gonna protect Americans.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:57

Well, and so speaking about that, when he did the State of the Union address and talking about transparency and communicating, oh my gosh, the fact that like one side of the aisle would not even stand up, right? For those things for um protecting Americans first. Um, that's one thing that and you will watch like a congressional hearing or Senate, Senate, some sort of Senate hearing where they're um, you know, they're going after someone. That's the only way I say that it's whatever they're the judiciary, which I love.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Like it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:23

Yeah, and it's like, but then it's like they, yeah, oh my gosh, it's quite entertaining. But then they they're like, and then they what they do, they then they walk out. And it's like, if we really want to make the country better, we have to have those conversations. And we have that's not putting Americans first, that's putting your ego first. It's disgusting to me when they're just like they'll ask their questions, right? It's a hearing that they called. So they're asking the questions of a witness. So they they sit there and then they, you know, bombard them or whatever, which is which is totally fine. But then as soon as their time is up, they get the hell out of there. And it's like, wait, did you really want to question this person? Did you want to learn what was going on? No, you wanted your sound bite, you wanted to come like an angry old man. Man or angry old, and then you got out of there. Like, how is that gonna change the country? How is that good for anyone if I elected you? So you have to promise me, like, you know, once you're once you're in the Senate or any congressional hearing, then you have to just listen, stay the whole freaking time. Like, you don't just get to put your two cents in and get out of there because your ego is so fragile and you can't listen to what someone else is saying when getting so overly emotional is ridiculous. Or yes, like being in um the state of the union and maybe maybe it's a president. I mean, God forbid a Democrat or whatever, you know, and you're on a different side of the aisle. Like if there's talking about something, like you said, you brought up Fetterman. Well, if it's good for if it's a good policy for your constituents, a good for Arizona, then yes, it shouldn't be just across party lines. But uh I agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:41

Yeah. And you know, that's why I want to go to Congress. That's why I want to represent Arizona. That's why I gave up a great job to go do it. Uh, you know, and and I'm gonna fight as hard as I can for the beliefs that we have and to fight for you know the people of not only CD1, but Arizona. And, you know, I think we need people in office that are willing to have that fight that have the thick skin already, you know, like Saturday Night Live already did a skin about me when I was playing in the NFL. Yeah, you can't so the Jay Feely story, the long ride home. No, it wasn't positive. It was it was making fun of me the whole time. But I mean, I've been through that already.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:14

But is there's no bad press, no bad press, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:16

Well, at the time I didn't really like it. It certainly wasn't helping me when I was a when I was playing in the NFL and it's making fun of the worst game I ever had.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

Oh, okay, got you. But I mean, I don't know. I think I didn't think they could say anything. I'm like, oh my god, I'm on Saturday Live. That's amazing. But maybe not. I don't know. Um well, one thing that came up, uh, well, speaking about Arizona, um, what would be one thing that for the country, right? We're talking about national level for Arizona, like what do you think would be important, like as a representative of your district of Arizona that um you would like to accomplish?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:48

When we look at this economy, this growing in Arizona and Texas and Florida, you know, have growing economies, people moving here from all over the country, businesses coming here. You look at the TSMC project, it's gonna be a$250 billion project. There's you know a huge data center. We are one of the fastest areas growing, those data storage centers, which are gonna be so key to the AI revolution that's coming. I want us to be at the forefront of that. There's two areas that I really want us to do a better job. We have to communicate with the local people and make sure that these data storage centers and the AI that's coming, doesn't increase the cost of energy for your local consumer, right? And they should be willing as a company, you're coming in, you're building a$25 billion data storage center. First of all, you should be off the grid. You you know, you shouldn't be increasing the price. Um, we have to have a consideration about water because water is always an issue here in Arizona. But some of them, like the Microsoft and others, you know, they have um water that recirculates and they don't use a ton of water. It's the average of like a golf course. You know, and we never look at golf course and be like, oh, you we can't have another golf course because we have water issues. But you do do that, data storage centers, and that's bit bringing billions and billions of revenue, you know, jobs that are incorporated with that as well. I want to be somebody who fosters that environment because I understand where the future is going and how important that's gonna be. When you bring in, you know, the investment like they did at Intel and continue to bring those companies here that are at the forefront of the world's production, that's just gonna help Arizona. Um, when you look at the ability to go and and to mine and to mine these um natural resources, these rare earth minerals. We have so many here in Arizona. You know, it takes, on average, 30 years to get a mine up, running, and producing. It's ridiculous the regulation that exists. And then we're dependent on foreign adversaries, you know, and 90%, even if you produce it here, it's got to go get refined in China. 90% of the world's refinering process happens in China. We can't afford that. If you think back to COVID and you just think about silly, like like uh toilet paper, you know, and how these commodities, all of a sudden we had, you know, a shortage of these commodities because they came from overseas, you know, and we didn't have the same shipping ability and we couldn't distribute them the same. And all of a sudden, like, you know, if there was toilet paper at CVS, we were like, hey, everybody, you gotta go get toilet paper. They got some at CVS.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:12

I mean, it was we have to have a toilet paper dealer cut on our.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:15

That's a funny little example of a really important issue. Like, we can't be in a situation where we are dependent on foreign adversaries for our rare earth minerals that that are in everything. All of our, all of our capabilities technologically derive from those rare earth minerals. And so we have to do a much better job of getting deregulating and creating environments where we can we can mine and produce, but then also refine here. And we should be able to do it here in Arizona.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:41

Uh, how's your water bill in Gilbert?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:43

Uh, you know, I mean everybody has seen that water bill go up. Yeah, you know, so I mean, that's certainly an issue. And, you know, if you're the governor, you can't bury your head in the sand and then not consider an issue, not have any leverage, not talk about it until your contract runs out and then come with your cup in hand and beg, you know, for a better deal.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:04

You have to be at the forefront and you have to have leverage and you have to assert that leverage to get a better deal for Arizona.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:10

Well, the upper the upper basins. And that's what Katie Hobson do, yeah. Yeah. She was interesting. I heard her talk not too long ago. Um, talk about not being authentic. I wasn't picking up those vibes. I'm a feeling person. So I'm around someone, like it's like, how do they make me feel? I'm like, uh, not not feeling it. Well, and especially.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:26

Well, when you're scared to death of having a conversation that's off script, or you won't go and do a debate because you know that you're not gonna come across well, that tells you a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:33

Well, and that was the thing. It was like the program, um, and uh it was QA, right? And so where I'm like, okay, well, great QA. And then so she like um her people just like walked her off stage and I was like, oh, I I guess I don't have a question. But right, well, it speaks to what you're saying, yeah. You can't have that off off script and actually have a conversation. How are you gonna lead anybody?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

So, this right here, this forum, right? Talking for, gosh, what have we been talking for? You know, over an hour. And there, there's a lot of opportunity to say things that your opponents could use against you, right? Because you're talking for a long time. You are asking a lot of deep philosophical questions about this country, about international and war and and all that kind of stuff. You have to be able to have the ability to have those in-depth conversations. It's what Kamala Harris couldn't do. Like, she could not go and sit on a podcast and talk for an hour and a half, two hours about those issues because she knew how bad she looked. So they wouldn't let her do it. And President Trump was like, sure, you want me to go do the Nelp Boys? I'll go do that. I'll go on Joe Rogan, I'll go on these podcasts. We can talk for two, three hours and talk about all these issues. That's what your politicians should be able to do. They should have the ability to have a vast base of knowledge, to be able to talk about issues in a forum where they don't know exactly what you're gonna say and what you're gonna bring up, and you have the freedom to ask me questions. You know, that that's who we need as our leaders.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:50

A hundred. You should have to you should be able to have a conversation. That should be a prerequisite. You have to be able to have the conversation. Oh my gosh. Well, um, so one thing you're talking about, um, Arizona and the data centers and all that. Um one thing that we're noticing, it's not just first-time home buyers or or whatnot, but affordable and and I'm in a lot of meetings being in real estate, right? But affordability, making houses what is affordability? And my thought is, and so the answer is like we're seeing and probably in other parts of the country, um, apartments. Like that's the answer to affordable housing, but it's like apartments, the rent's so high. To me, that's not my definition of affordable. Um, so that was one thing that's come up, and and knowing that we have like say similar, you know, early 20s, kids or whatnot, and we're looking, and you know, it's very different. Like Mike and I bought our first house in 1990. We were um 20 years old. We were 22. Yeah, and it was, I mean, honestly, like we did the math, it was cheaper than an apartment. Like it was such a great incentive, and it got us into home ownership. And so for most people, that's the key. Yeah, most people, that is their biggest asset. Like that's where you build wealth, right? As a homeowner. Um, so how do we, I guess, help the next generation to create that wealth, you know, to be to have home ownership where they can build equity. And I mean, that's the American dream, right? And I think they're discouraged.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:06

And that is the foundation of believing in something that's bigger than yourself. You know, if you are a renter society and you don't own anything, then you're not invested in anything, and then you don't care about it. And I think that's what we saw in in New York and why Madami got elected. And I totally agree. You got like 80% of the young vote because they have nothing to lose. They don't care. Like they look at houses and and the cost there, and they're like, well, I can't ever buy anything, and interest rates are over 7%. And you know, so the cost is dramatic. If you bought a$400,000 home in 2020 and then you bought a$400,000 home here in Arizona, Gilbert, same same exact home, right? And you bought it four years later, your your cost almost doubled your mortgage just because of the interest rates. You know, and so we have to do a great job of understanding where the affordability affordability crisis started and then how we combat that. And so I go back to the borders. When you bring across tens of millions of people, they have to have housing. And so it starts from the bottom up, and so they rent houses, which increases rent prices. If rent prices go up, then that's gonna increase the supply demand. That's right. It's gonna increase the cost of buying something. If interest rates go up, you know, that's gonna increase the cost of buying something. When you look at interest rates and how they they went sky high and inflation was at 9.5% under Biden, because they just printed money. You know that when you print money, it's gonna lead to an inflationary market, and you know, inflation is gonna go sky high, increasing interest rates because you're worried about inflation getting out of control. These are all not, you know, you knew this was gonna happen when you printed money, but that's what their administration wanted to do. That's what Democrats believe in. So if they believe it. That's right. And when you bring tens of millions of illegals across and you put them on Snap and they go into the grocery store and they buy groceries with their Snap, what's gonna happen to the grocery prices? They're gonna go up. You know, because you have this influx of tens of millions of people taking their Snap cards and having them funded by the federal government and going in and the state governments and going in and buying groceries. And so that's where the affordability crisis started, that's where it started. And the way that you combat that, especially in regard to real estate, is one you deregulate. You know, the look at the Biden administration. Their two major bills that they funded that was appropriated from Congress was the Inflation Reduction Act and um the infrastructure bill, right? Those two trillions of dollars in spending. They weren't able to even implement those and take advantage of all those trillions of dollars in spending because of all their own regulations. So they were sitting there waiting for, okay, we're gonna we're gonna lay all this fiber optic wire, we're gonna create an EV charging network, all these things that never got done, even though they had the money because of their own regulations. You know, they should look at it and be like, man, I think we have way too many regulations. Like, yeah, we can't, we have the money and we can't even do these projects that we want to do. And so when you look at housing, you know, if it takes three years for somebody to buy a property and then build a house because of all the regulations, well, that directly leads to higher costs. And those cost, because I have to have, I have to hold that property. I bought that property, I'm playing interest on that property that's gonna get then passed on to the consumer. So the cost of that when I go to buy it is gonna be higher. And so the more we can cut regulations and we can streamline the process and build more homes, the better it'll be for that younger generation. And you create more affordable homes and the opportunity to own a home and to be invested in your local community. Like you said, the foundation of your success economically starts with owning something and owning a home that grows and goes in value. So you're not just paying rent and you know, you don't have the value of something growing, but also you're invested in your local community then when you own something.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:50

Yeah, for sure. We had um I have really good friends who bought property um in Phoenix. Yeah, over two years for a permit. It's ridiculous. It's just and it feels like, I mean, we've been in real estate for like 23 plus years, but it's like it's like everything from California somehow makes its way over, I feel like, because we all know about the regulations there, and it's from what I hear, 10 times worse. But it's like look at the Palisades fires.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

Nothing has happened. You know, these homeowners can't even rebuild their homes. The homes that got destroyed by the fires, they can't rebuild them because of the regulations and all the changes and all the stuff that they're forcing them to then do with their homes that adds millions of dollars to the cost. Like, that's absurd that we would not allow somebody who went through the the devastation of losing your home in a fire and then they can't rebuild because of all the the asinine regulations.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:42

Well, then I just remember like the round table, right? When Trump went down there and spoke, and it's like, oh yeah, yeah, we're gonna get it. And what was the the mayor? What's her name? Karen Bass. Yeah. And uh the mayor, oh yeah, oh yeah, well, it's pretty funny because he was calling him out. But I'm like, yeah, you all say we're on TV, you all say that this is gonna happen. Oh, yeah, we're gonna change that, oh, we're gonna do that, and then and then these people still keep getting elected. Like, that's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:04

They keep getting real who's the leading person for the Democrats in 2028 for president right now, Newsom, probably. Yeah, the Newsom. Yeah, yeah. It's unbelievable. Like, what all the fraud, all the waste that exists, the way that they have destroyed that state. And and I I love California, like the coastline is so gorgeous, beautiful. You take from San Diego all the way up into LA and like Monterey, like those are some of my favorite places in the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:28

Like, and I mean the shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:30

But I would never live there because of the asinine policies and the taxes and the inefficiency. And then, you know, you look at all the you know the policies morally that they tried to push as well. Like Well, COVID, all of that. What's I'll give you an example. Like this just happened, but they have a a new policy, this this kind of toxic empathy that exists, right, on the left. And they created a policy that if you have been in jail for over 20 years and you're over 50 years old, that you're up for this special parole. And so they just paroled this guy who had three consecutive life sentences because he raped and assaulted seven girls from ages of like 12 down to three. No, why would they put this man back on the streets, back in society to go and and terrorize young girls again and take them out of jail under this guise of empathy? Well, he's been in there, you know, he's in his 60s now and he's been in there for over 20 years. Yeah, he should be in there for another 20 years and never get out. That's why they gave him three consecutive life sentences.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:30

Right. It just doesn't make sense doesn't make sense. And it's it's this, right, right? Empathy or s or whatnot. And then, but if it was their daughter, I think the story would be different. And you shouldn't have to have something like that happen to you to not understand the importance of the justice system, right? And like putting criminals away. Um, which is sad. I mean, that but there again, that just means they're above it all, right? They're above it. Like if it hasn't happened to them, then I think their their story would change, I would think. Um, but and then his wife just is under investigation too, Newsom's wife for fraud and it's it just runs deep. It runs really deep. And and one thing that I always thought is it's kind of their religion, if that makes sense, right? And and that's why I feel like Democrats as a whole, and not all Democrats, I'm sure, I have friends, um, but but it they're threatened by someone who is religious, and or is what I've seen, um, because they want the that to be their religion, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:22

And you're you're you're dead on. So and if you look at as as God decreases, government increases, there's a direct correlation to that. And you look at um the places that have the least amount of church, churches, and the least amount of church service, it's all your blue cities and blue states. You know, and so you see as as God decreases and is not a part of people's lives, they have to fill that void, and the void is government. So government becomes their God, and that's what they you know then focus on, and they want government to fix all the problems and fix all the issues, and government is the the most inefficient, least uh has the least ability to actually do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:01

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. Um, so it's interesting, but well that it breaks my heart because San Francisco was the coolest place ever. Like awesome, but then that's why people are leaving California. I'm like, oh my gosh, like you should stay and fix it, you know, if everybody leaves, but such a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:16

But they continue with their policies to drive people out. They're talking about a five percent wealth tax right now, you know, and people are flying out of California. They're talking about a five percent wealth tax that's not on income, that's on all your wealth, that is accumulation of your real estate, that's accumulation of um, you know, your your non-realized gains on on companies that you own, a stock that you own. It's absolutely ridiculous. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:37

Um, I feel like we could talk for like three more hours. This is so great. I'm just like and think um, thank you so much for coming in. I know you're busy and all of the things. Um I'm excited for you. I wish you the best of luck. I think that it's really nice to have this time to to go. I think um I think you do a great job for Arizona. It's uh it's it's an interesting world um that we that we live in for sure. An interesting time. We we need we need good people. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:04

Yeah, so that's why I'm doing it. You know, I'm gonna stand up for what we believe in. I'm gonna stand up for the foundational freedoms that I believe that, you know, our constitution gave us. You know, I think at the at the end of the day, that's what most people want. You know, they want economic tailwinds from government so that their businesses can do well, so that their kids they have help for their kids, and then they want government to get out of the way. Don't tell me what to do, don't tell me how to live.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:26

Yeah, keep keep keep all the conversations going. The more we talk, I feel like the more we grow and the more we learn. So that's why I sat down here with you. I know, I think. I know, it's great. Thank you. I love what you're doing. Thank you. Tell Rebecca hi for me. I will, for sure. She said to say hi. Oh, yeah, yeah. Awesome. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:41

My pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:44

I need um a timer because I never know the time. 11 30.